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Post by Sextons barber on Jan 18, 2012 18:33:08 GMT -5
whats miltons record exactly..... pretty sure you guys are in a little bit of different circumstance. I remember when WR and Lewisburg were in the same situation a few years ago when guffey bumped up to get reber twice and bryson wrestled reber. I know your gonna disagree but i heard the same b.s out of you guys last year when it came to watson vs wolfe in postseason . I believe your argument there was who has watson beat well he beat wolfe then didnt hear a sound from you about it.
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Post by tigersinlaw on Jan 18, 2012 19:27:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry but in my opinion the only way you get better is by going against the best competition you can. The Benton kids are always up for a challenge. They would rather wrestle someone good and lose then go out and pin a kid in 20 seconds. Smith should have wrestled Mankey just for the experience to prepare for states.
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Post by Sextons barber on Jan 18, 2012 19:32:42 GMT -5
how many times during a year do you get to see the matchup you want to see in a dual meet... look at team duals in aaa a couple years ago are you saying central dauphin shouldnt of ran peppelman away from alton .... if they dont central mountain is team champs that year . If you can get the win for the team you take after all it is still a team thing right now.
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Post by tigersinlaw on Jan 18, 2012 19:36:06 GMT -5
When it comes to things like that yes. But was that match going to cost Lewisburg the state title. No. They are pretty much safe to go on for duals. Who knows maybe he would of beat Mankey or maybe he would lose. The experience would be priceless later on though.
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Post by set4life on Jan 18, 2012 19:46:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry but in my opinion the only way you get better is by going against the best competition you can. The Benton kids are always up for a challenge. They would rather wrestle someone good and lose then go out and pin a kid in 20 seconds. Smith should have wrestled Mankey just for the experience to prepare for states. very true. that is where it comes down to a coahces goal: team improvement, or individual improvement. |
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Post by set4life on Jan 18, 2012 19:47:45 GMT -5
No way smith majors mankey. ill take mankey by 2pt dec. sadly, we will never know. |
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Post by tigersinlaw on Jan 18, 2012 19:57:00 GMT -5
No way smith majors mankey. ill take mankey by 2pt dec. sadly, we will never know. yes sad indeed...would have been a very interesting match |
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 18, 2012 19:58:12 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you wrote. But, the meet began at 220, no room for indecision. Also, since Mankey normally wrestles 182, there was no assurance he would have wrestled Smith. So, I think Coach made the right call. Your opinion that kids get better by going against the best competition is right on, and I would also add they also get better with great coaching, off season clinics, off season tourneys, etc. But not all kids have wrestling as their primary sports goal. Some wrestle to stay in shape for another sport. Brandon Smith is such an athlete. He wrestles and goes out for track to stay in shape for football. He wants to be a linebacker at Penn State, and I think he stands a good chance. On the other hand, if you want to be the best in wrestling, you do what Nate Brown, Eric Hess, Derick Reber, Ryan Solomon, and others have done - spend most of the off season training, going to clinics, wrestling in tourneys all over the country, and so on. Lewisburg does not have one of those wrestlers this year, and with giving up 12 to forfeits each match, we have to choose each match carefully for the team. And, until the season is over, it is a team sport which most people forget. But, you are right, better competition helps you improve - but, it should not come at a sacrifice to "the team". I'm sorry but in my opinion the only way you get better is by going against the best competition you can. The Benton kids are always up for a challenge. They would rather wrestle someone good and lose then go out and pin a kid in 20 seconds. Smith should have wrestled Mankey just for the experience to prepare for states. |
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Post by tigersinlaw on Jan 18, 2012 20:02:21 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you wrote. But, the meet began at 220, no room for indecision. Also, since Mankey normally wrestles 182, there was no assurance he would have wrestled Smith. So, I think Coach made the right call. Your opinion that kids get better by going against the best competition is right on, and I would also add they also get better with great coaching, off season clinics, off season tourneys, etc. But not all kids have wrestling as their primary sports goal. Some wrestle to stay in shape for another sport. Brandon Smith is such an athlete. He wrestles and goes out for track to stay in shape for football. He wants to be a linebacker at Penn State, and I think he stands a good chance. On the other hand, if you want to be the best in wrestling, you do what Nate Brown, Eric Hess, Derick Reber, Ryan Solomon, and others have done - spend most of the off season training, going to clinics, wrestling in tourneys all over the country, and so on. Lewisburg does not have one of those wrestlers this year, and with giving up 12 to forfeits each match, we have to choose each match carefully for the team. And, until the season is over, it is a team sport which most people forget. But, you are right, better competition helps you improve - but, it should not come at a sacrifice to "the team". I'm sorry but in my opinion the only way you get better is by going against the best competition you can. The Benton kids are always up for a challenge. They would rather wrestle someone good and lose then go out and pin a kid in 20 seconds. Smith should have wrestled Mankey just for the experience to prepare for states. Very good post. I agree completely with what you said. It wasn't a given that they would have met regardless of how things lined up. And the team does come first at this time. But if you are all ready pretty much a lock to go on to team duals, one lose/one match isn't gonna hurt you. |
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 18, 2012 20:03:39 GMT -5
When I say to "the team", I also mean the school. Fans come to the matches not only to see good wrestling, but they also support the school. Students come and go, but it is the school and pride of being a Wildcat, Black Panther, Green Dragon, or whatever that keeps the fans coming back as well as the recent graduates.
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 18, 2012 20:38:16 GMT -5
I don't see Lewisburg as a lock for district team duals, not yet. Here is our remaining schedule:
1/19/2012 Away BLOOMSBURG HS
1/21/2012 Away HANOVER HS Line Mt duals
1/21/2012 Away NORTH STAR HS Line Mt duals
1/21/2012 Away ELMER L MEYERS HS Line Mt duals
1/21/2012 Away LINE MOUNTAIN HS Line Mt duals
1/24/2012 Home MILTON AREA HS
1/26/2012 Home WARRIOR RUN HS
1/28/2012 Home CANTON JR SR HS
2/7/2012 Away MUNCY HS
2/9/2012 Away CENTRAL COLUMBIA HS
I see LM, WR, and CC as probable loses. I see Milton, Canton, Muncy as toss-ups depending on the match ups. I really don't know anything about Hanover, North Star, or Elmer L. Meyers.
What makes it hard to predict for our team is that some of our experienced guys don't show up with their "A" game every match. I'm not putting them down, its just the way it seems to happen sometimes.
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Post by lancelot on Jan 18, 2012 20:54:21 GMT -5
I understand about wrestling the best competition blah blah blah. But if it's your kid do you think he gains strides getting pinned in :20 or wrestling a competitive kid for 6:00. I never saw any improvement in my kid being squashed in 20-45 seconds over losing/winning by a 2 point decision. That is where I think there are some differences in wrestling these tough tournaments might not help the .500 wrestlers but you're right it does help kids striding for states. So you have to pick your poison, you need competition--boys taking on men won't turn you into a man; boys taking on better boys will eventually turn you into a man!
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Post by hazeydave on Jan 18, 2012 20:59:08 GMT -5
lbgpop, you are right on. Team comes first during the regular season. I agree with the way your coach handled the situation. The idea of giving up a team win just to make sure two specific kids get to match up is absurd. All the kids on the team- even those that don't start- contribute to each win-it's the coaches duty to work towards getting every team win you can get. The team and their fans deserve that.
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Post by tigersinlaw on Jan 18, 2012 21:10:37 GMT -5
I understand about wrestling the best competition blah blah blah. But if it's your kid do you think he gains strides getting pinned in :20 or wrestling a competitive kid for 6:00. I never saw any improvement in my kid being squashed in 20-45 seconds over losing/winning by a 2 point decision. That is where I think there are some differences in wrestling these tough tournaments might not help the .500 wrestlers but you're right it does help kids striding for states. So you have to pick your poison, you need competition--boys taking on men won't turn you into a man; boys taking on better boys will eventually turn you into a man! No getting pinned/pinning in 20 seconds helps no one get better. Being pushed by someone is one of the best was to get better. Sure a kid could get tailormade matches all season be undefeated and then get to districts or regionals and get destroyed by someone with loses under there belt but who had wrestled some of the top wrestlers at their weight. |
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Post by tigersinlaw on Jan 18, 2012 21:13:03 GMT -5
And I understand all of the commments about the team being first. But when all is said and done it is about the kids individually and helping them better themselves. They cannot get better unless they are tested.
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