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Post by lbgpop on Jan 17, 2012 21:40:19 GMT -5
Lewisburg 34 - Benton 32
220: Brandon Smith(L) Fall 1:04 Kim Spencer(B) 6-0 285: Kyle Santorine(L) Fall 1:52 Anthony Davis(B) 12-0 106: Jeff Steel(L) by FF 18-0 113: Joe Roman(L) by FF 24-0 120: NO MATCH 126: Matt Welliver(B) TF 5:18 Logan Aikey(L) 24-5 132: Colt Cotten(B) Fall :23 Andrew Fritchman(L) 24-11 138: Brandon Lontz(B) Fall :52 Jordan Danowsky(L) 24-17 145: Andrew Fox(L) Dec 4-0 Brad Miccio(B) 27-17 152: Jeric Kasunic(B) Fall :27 Nick Bernstein(L) 27-23 160: Max Reed(L) MD 15-5 Matt Zawaski(B) 31-23 170: Marcus Welliver(B) Dec 7-6 Joe Gardner(L) 31-26 182: Patrick Ostrowsky(L) Dec 7-1 Logan Womelsdorf(B) 34-26 195: Jake Mankey by FF 34-32
126 and 160 were fun matches to watch...non stop action in both. As usual, the Benton gym was loud and a great place to watch wrestling. Almost non stop cheering the entire match. Did not see who won the coin toss, but Benton had to show first for the first match at 220. I would guess Lewisburg won the toss.
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Post by miltond4 on Jan 17, 2012 21:45:15 GMT -5
Why didn't Smith wrestle Mankey?
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Post by set4life on Jan 17, 2012 21:55:32 GMT -5
just looking at the results, had smtih wrestled mankey, lewisburg would have lost. so it only makes sense to avoid him. props to the lewisburg coaches. i am not saying makey would have beat smith, but he would not have gotten pinned. at worst/best (however you look at it) smith would have majored mankey. and then bentons 220 would have gotten a free 6 points.
would have been an interesting match between them i am sure though. i can only imagine the noise, benton fans sure do know how to be loud.
how was the 170 match? i would have thought it would go the other way.
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 17, 2012 22:14:50 GMT -5
Why didn't Smith wrestle Mankey? This is only a guess, because I don't know for a fact. Ostrowsky and Smith are all Lewisburg has for 182, 195, and 220. Benton had wrestlers for all three weights. Coach Snyder probably figured our best chance to win the meet was for Smith to get a fall and Ostrowsky get a win. No matter how we (Lewisburg) configure those three weight classes, we forfeit one of them. Mankey is a tough kid, one of the best Benton has, and the outcome of Mankey/Ostrowsky or Smith/Mankey probably does not bode well for the team score. Coach Snyder's plan worked because Smith's 6 for a fall cancelled Mankey's FF for 6, and Ostrowsky's 3 point decision was the difference in who won the match. Had Coach Snyder thought Smith wrestling Mankey would have been in the best interest of the team, he would have done it, I'm sure of that. I would like to have seen the match happen, although Smith is bigger than Mankey. Smith is a full 195 lber and Mankey weighs in for 182. As many duals go, we don't see the marquee matchups because the Coach is going for a team win. That's the best explanation I can give. Since we only won by 2 points, I have to agree with the Coach's call. Had our Coach FF'ed at 220 (the first match), we would have been down 6-0. That would mean Smith would need to pin Mankey for our team to win when the last bout (195) came around. That becomes a very iffy scenario because Mankey is one tough wrestler and unlikely to give up any bonus points..IF he would lose. Lewisburg would have lost the meet. Coach made the correct call.
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 17, 2012 22:18:06 GMT -5
just looking at the results, had smtih wrestled mankey, lewisburg would have lost. so it only makes sense to avoid him. props to the lewisburg coaches. i am not saying makey would have beat smith, but he would not have gotten pinned. at worst/best (however you look at it) smith would have majored mankey. and then bentons 220 would have gotten a free 6 points. would have been an interesting match between them i am sure though. i can only imagine the noise, benton fans sure do know how to be loud. how was the 170 match? i would have thought it would go the other way. Gardner could have won if he would have released and taken down a couple times, but he didn't hear the coaches yelling at him (I couldn't hear the person sitting next to me). I know its conjecture, but Joe was doing well at taking him down, and I truly think he would have won. Inexperienced.
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Post by set4life on Jan 17, 2012 22:32:24 GMT -5
does not surprise me. i would pick joe over marcus in a rematch regardless of the cercumstances. marcus did a decent job, even if he had an assist from the fans
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 17, 2012 23:07:59 GMT -5
HaHa! It was mostly the noise from Lewisburg fans yelling, "turn him loose" while Joe was trying to turn Marcus. I give Marcus a lot of credit, he was not about to be turned. Joe was down by one point with about 1 minute remaining, but did not turn Marcus loose until there was about 20 seconds left in the match, and I don't think he took a shot. He looked tired. I think our Coach will be hoarse tonight. does not surprise me. i would pick joe over marcus in a rematch regardless of the cercumstances. marcus did a decent job, even if he had an assist from the fans
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Post by blackpantherfan on Jan 18, 2012 6:36:46 GMT -5
Why didn't Smith wrestle Mankey? This is only a guess, because I don't know for a fact. Ostrowsky and Smith are all Lewisburg has for 182, 195, and 220. Benton had wrestlers for all three weights. Coach Snyder probably figured our best chance to win the meet was for Smith to get a fall and Ostrowsky get a win. No matter how we (Lewisburg) configure those three weight classes, we forfeit one of them. Mankey is a tough kid, one of the best Benton has, and the outcome of Mankey/Ostrowsky or Smith/Mankey probably does not bode well for the team score. Coach Snyder's plan worked because Smith's 6 for a fall cancelled Mankey's FF for 6, and Ostrowsky's 3 point decision was the difference in who won the match. Had Coach Snyder thought Smith wrestling Mankey would have been in the best interest of the team, he would have done it, I'm sure of that. I would like to have seen the match happen, although Smith is bigger than Mankey. Smith is a full 195 lber and Mankey weighs in for 182. As many duals go, we don't see the marquee matchups because the Coach is going for a team win. That's the best explanation I can give. Since we only won by 2 points, I have to agree with the Coach's call. Had our Coach FF'ed at 220 (the first match), we would have been down 6-0. That would mean Smith would need to pin Mankey for our team to win when the last bout (195) came around. That becomes a very iffy scenario because Mankey is one tough wrestler and unlikely to give up any bonus points..IF he would lose. Lewisburg would have lost the meet. Coach made the correct call. pop you know I have to bust your chops on this one, what was the excuse then against Mt Carmel when you won by 30 points and bumped Ostrowski away from Przekop, I would think you would want your kids to wrestle against the toughest compettion out there, since Lewisburg already has clinched a spot in the team duals
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Post by knowledge on Jan 18, 2012 10:27:16 GMT -5
This is only a guess, because I don't know for a fact. Ostrowsky and Smith are all Lewisburg has for 182, 195, and 220. Benton had wrestlers for all three weights. Coach Snyder probably figured our best chance to win the meet was for Smith to get a fall and Ostrowsky get a win. No matter how we (Lewisburg) configure those three weight classes, we forfeit one of them. Mankey is a tough kid, one of the best Benton has, and the outcome of Mankey/Ostrowsky or Smith/Mankey probably does not bode well for the team score. Coach Snyder's plan worked because Smith's 6 for a fall cancelled Mankey's FF for 6, and Ostrowsky's 3 point decision was the difference in who won the match. Had Coach Snyder thought Smith wrestling Mankey would have been in the best interest of the team, he would have done it, I'm sure of that. I would like to have seen the match happen, although Smith is bigger than Mankey. Smith is a full 195 lber and Mankey weighs in for 182. As many duals go, we don't see the marquee matchups because the Coach is going for a team win. That's the best explanation I can give. Since we only won by 2 points, I have to agree with the Coach's call. Had our Coach FF'ed at 220 (the first match), we would have been down 6-0. That would mean Smith would need to pin Mankey for our team to win when the last bout (195) came around. That becomes a very iffy scenario because Mankey is one tough wrestler and unlikely to give up any bonus points..IF he would lose. Lewisburg would have lost the meet. Coach made the correct call. pop you know I have to bust your chops on this one, what was the excuse then against Mt Carmel when you won by 30 points and bumped Ostrowski away from Przekop, I would think you would want your kids to wrestle against the toughest compettion out there, since Lewisburg already has clinched a spot in the team duals Mt. Carmel sent Przekop out waiting for the match!
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Post by clark171sq on Jan 18, 2012 12:58:48 GMT -5
No way smith majors mankey.
ill take mankey by 2pt dec.
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 18, 2012 12:59:39 GMT -5
Hey BPF, its OK to bust my chops, everyone else does. As I've posted several times, Lewisburg has 2 guys to cover three weight classes (182,195, and 220). They are Ostrowsky and Smith. Here was the beginning of the meet that night: 152: Max Reed(L) TF 17-2 Stief(MCA) 5-0 160: Nick Bernstein(L) MD 17-4 Fletcher(MCA) 9-0 170: M. Lamb(MCA) Fall 1st per.Tom Abbott(L) 9-6 182: Prsekop(MCA) by FF 9-12 195: Pat Ostrowsky(L) MD 13-2 Haupt(MCA) 13-12 220: Brandon Smith(L) Dec 6-1 Urbanavage(MCA) 16-12 285: Stablewski(MCA) Dec 5-3 Kyle Santorine(L) 16-15 going into 182, we were up 9-6. Anyone who wrestles Lewisburg knows that Ostrowsky and Smith are our two best chances for a win. They also know that from 106 to about 145 we are inconsistent at best, plus we always forfeit either 120 or 126. Knowing we have to forfeit two every meet, who would you forfeit to? Had we sent out Ostrowsky, he could have lost to Przekop, but I'm not conceding that - just saying it is very much possible since he is much more experienced. Let's imagine Przekop wins a decision and gets 3 for Mt Carmel. Then we FF at 195, and get a decision at 220 by Smith. The net result is we lost 6 points. As it turns out, Ostrowsky picks up a major for 4 points and Smith gets 3. After deducting the forfeit, we net a plus 1 point. This is a 7 point swing in our favor involving our two best wrestlers knowing we are going to FF at 120 or 126, and knowing we usually lose between 106 and 145 (net loss). Coach Snyder, I'm sure, is looking at the long haul, hoping to make the dual tournament. With so many good, complete line ups in D4, and with us FF 2 matches every meet, we have to scratch and claw every win we can get. And the team comes first with Snyder, as it should. This is just my take on it.
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Post by blackpantherfan on Jan 18, 2012 13:12:25 GMT -5
pop we give up 2-3 sometimes 4 ffts a match, but we always try and get our kids the best matchup possible, Preisch will bump up to wrestle the better kid, as will English, Porter and Solly, only makes you better, Lewisburg is 10-2 they are already in the duals, Not being Smart but does it matter where you guys are seeded, I dont see you beating any of the top 6 or 7 teams, Smith is a state qualifier, looking at his opponents this year, he really hasnt wrestled any state ranked kids, he probably should of wrestled Mankey, just to get ready for the post season, maybe its just my opinion but when you guys had Brown, he was always looking to wrestle top notch kids
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Post by visionquest on Jan 18, 2012 15:12:01 GMT -5
blackpantherfan, ofcourse Milton can send there guys up for tougher matchups. There are not that many teams you guys are going to beat this year so why not give the kids tougher competition. In most cases the team wins come first.
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Post by tied on Jan 18, 2012 18:10:52 GMT -5
pop we give up 2-3 sometimes 4 ffts a match, but we always try and get our kids the best matchup possible, Preisch will bump up to wrestle the better kid, as will English, Porter and Solly, only makes you better, Lewisburg is 10-2 they are already in the duals, Not being Smart but does it matter where you guys are seeded, I dont see you beating any of the top 6 or 7 teams, Smith is a state qualifier, looking at his opponents this year, he really hasnt wrestled any state ranked kids, he probably should of wrestled Mankey, just to get ready for the post season, maybe its just my opinion but when you guys had Brown, he was always looking to wrestle top notch kids Is that why Zimmerman got to wrestle Batkowski and Porter moved AWAY from him?
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Post by blackpantherfan on Jan 18, 2012 18:19:01 GMT -5
TIED, lol yea take a look at Porters opponents this year compared tpo Zimmermans, I guess we wanted to win one against Montoursville and we did,,,,, against Port Al, Montour and shamokin we ffft only 2 weights and won all 3 of them matches, usually we have fft 3-4 weights a match
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