d4hd
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Post by d4hd on Oct 14, 2014 13:15:58 GMT -5
Yes I hear he was cleared to wrestle a couple weeks ago
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Post by d4king on Oct 15, 2014 3:05:08 GMT -5
Okay thanks!
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Post by lbgpop on Oct 15, 2014 18:24:19 GMT -5
Glad to see Billy Barnes will be wrestling this year! I hope he gets the top prize at the end of the season. Now, to clear up just a couple things mentioned here that bother me regarding comparisons to Zain's case. And these are all issues I have with the PIAA, not the folks commenting here, OK? 1) Parents can own land and property in as many school districts,and as many states,as they want. It is where they declare their domicile and physically live that determines the school district their children will attend. 2) Whether the parents and student love or hate a school district should not be a concern of the PIAA when making rulings. "Feelings" are not pertinent to rules and laws. 3) An eighth grader can transfer for athletic reasons, but not a junior. When Chance Marstellar was an eighth grader I believe he was undefeated and had beaten two high school state champs in tourney competition. Yes, I am comparing apples to oranges regarding their grade levels, but which one do you feel would have had the greater impact to form a dynasty at the school they were transferring to? Zain or Chance? And, prohibiting dynasties is the purpose of that rule, the so-called Curry rule from Berwick football. 4) Sports are part of education, and have been for a long, long time. No student-athlete should be denied an opportunity to pursue his/her education, which includes sports. How many student-athletes are actually going to transfer when you consider that they will be leaving all their friends? Their parents will need to relocate and find new housing - and new jobs? In Berwick, PPL was the real culprit if you think about it. Had they not provided the good jobs, how many transfers do you think Berwick would have gotten? What other financial stimulus was there for the parent.....in Berwick? I think it is a badly construed and administered rule, especially the administered part. I think parents should be able to enroll their student in any school district they like if they move to the school district and reside there, whether the student plays sports or not. A student should not be made to sit out a year, because sports are part of a student's education. Finally, I wonder what everyone's reaction would have been, especially the PIAA, if Billy Barnes had transferred to Benton?
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Post by lebarron on Oct 15, 2014 18:54:38 GMT -5
You would of heard a lot more crying
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Post by 1coalcracker on Oct 16, 2014 19:44:44 GMT -5
If you think this team is loaded. Wait until their junior high and elementary become old enough for varsity, and none of them were born in Southerns District.
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d4fiet
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Post by d4fiet on Oct 16, 2014 20:05:05 GMT -5
1coalcracker, that is a brainless statement. Sounds like you are a little jealous. And if you are a coalcracker don't worry about it anyway. Worry about surviving district 11. Which by the way, with the absence of BECA is the worst AA district in the state.
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Post by oliver26 on Oct 16, 2014 22:29:34 GMT -5
Do you honestly think people move their kids in elementary school for athletic reasons. Could it possibly be the fact that Southern is a nice area and a good school. I left one of the coal cracker schools a few years ago and wrestling was not involved in the decision. All of the boys that have moved into the district over the last few years would have been better than average no matter where they wrestled.
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Post by oliver26 on Oct 16, 2014 22:47:44 GMT -5
Since this is a Benton vs the world conversation how many kids on their roster are from Benton? Maybe it should be Northwest wrestling!
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Post by 1coalcracker on Oct 17, 2014 6:24:25 GMT -5
Never heard of a district 11 person called a coal cracker but than again I never lived in district 11. Your right it is a much better place to live that's part of it. Plus they have a successful school in many sports. I have zero jealously I'm glad lots of good athletes come here to play so I can watch them close to home.
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Post by huskiewrestler on Oct 17, 2014 11:22:22 GMT -5
I don't care for families moving in HIGHSCHOOL for athletic reasons. I also am not in favor of having a free transfer rule.
It doesn't help High School Sports. Talk to coaches in Ohio, especially Jeff Jordan.
Now from what I heard, the Barnes never owned property in Williamson. Now I still believe there was athletic intent in the move. Williamson's program seen a surge of energy, a lot due to a stud like Barnes or Everett. Him leaving crushes that program from the top to the bottom. A small school can't afford to lose a kid like that.
The rules don't stop the transfers, but they are definitely slowing them down.
Some of the families that move way before HS, I have zero problem with.
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Post by lbgpop on Oct 17, 2014 12:47:03 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the transfer rule is the input of the 'departed' school district carries far too much weight. For example, if Williamson said they had no objection to the transfer, it is almost guaranteed the PIAA will not object. My question is, why not? The purpose of the rule as I understand it is to prevent what I call dynasties in a sport. The departing school district should not have a say in the matter, in my opinion. The important factor in the PIAA approving a transfer is where is the student athlete transferring to, and what impact will that make. What school a kid comes from is not the heart of the rule - rather, where is he going.
As I stated before, I wish Billy Barnes all the best and look forward to watching him wrestle again this year. To me, this is not about him but about the inconsistency of the PIAA in rulings regarding the matter.
And I respectfully disagree with huskiewrestler about kids moving before high school, and I will explain why. Many young kids these days are studs at young ages thanks to many programs around the state. These are not just 'beginners', these are kids who win in state and out of state tournaments. I disagree because young studs being allowed to transfer has the same affect on building a super team as does high school transfers. If a person thinks the PIAA transfer rule is a good one, then it should apply equally to all grade levels, not just high school. As I said before, my preference would be either to abolish this rule or to tweak it so there is no subjective ruling by the PIAA - it either is or is not a violation of the rule.
Also, I would repeat, it does not matter if you own or rent homes or real estate, or how many. What matters is where you declare your domicile.
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Post by oliver26 on Oct 17, 2014 18:26:03 GMT -5
How is the PIAA supposed to police sports that are not even affiliated with the schools or the piaa. If little Jonny has a rifle of an arm in tball and his mom gets a job in Montoursville should the PIAA not let him play little league for a year. He is only going to get better because of Mussina. The comment above is completely idiotic. Most of the elementary kids that are good or better are that way due to clubs and committed parents. Southern Columbia's elementary team wrestles 10 matches a year. I think if you look into the elementary transfers into southern all those parents upgraded their homes and surroundings. Also if you look into it all the transfers include more kids than the wrestlers and most are from adjoining districts. Therefore the parents made a sacrifice by increasing the commute to work. This whole line of posts is sour grapes for what Southern will potentially have. Lebarron did you move your guys from York because of wrestling. I'm not trying to single you out but your in the same boat as me.
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Post by lebarron on Oct 18, 2014 17:09:13 GMT -5
No I moved back to here because this is where I went to school and to help my parents and the schools there are a lot more violent . the year we moved up we had a fourth grader bring knife on bus .
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Post by lebarron on Oct 18, 2014 17:10:58 GMT -5
And I have always wanted wanted my kids to wrestle for warrior run .I feel they have the best support for wrestling from there fans .
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Post by lebarron on Oct 18, 2014 17:13:10 GMT -5
I think you should chose what you feel is rite for your family and to hell with everyone else.
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