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Post by lbgpop on Oct 18, 2014 23:10:28 GMT -5
I agree with you lebarron, a family should be free to live where they want without the kids being penalized.
1coalcracker, you may think I am being idiotic, but it wasn't me who dreamed up the "Curry rule". It was the PIAA. The point I was trying to make is that a school system is a school system regardless of the grade level, and that transferring good athletes before 9th grade is as harmful as transferring after 9th grade. The end result is a circumvention of the intent of the PIAA rule which was a result of the Berwick football powerhouses some years back. By pointing this out, I am trying to show that the rule is not working to prevent school districts from being stacked with very good athletes from other school districts. Ask school districts like Shamokin if the PIAA rule has prevented their talented youth from going to SC. At one time, Shamokin was one of the great wrestling school districts. They still produce a lot of good young wrestlers, but you don't see them wrestling at Shamokin past eighth grade. I'm sure other surrounding school districts have suffered also.
This is why I oppose this rule. It does not accomplish what it set out to prevent. Another reason is that it is a subjective call as to whether a student must sit out a year or not. In my opinion, they don't do a very good job of assessing that either. Their decision making is way too controversial and is not applied equally to all student athlete transfers.
I think they should strike to rule until they can come up with a fairer way of policing the matter, where each student athlete is treated equally.
Lastly, I agree with you 1coalcracker, a family should be able to relocate if they feel it is in the best interest of the family. I have said this all along.
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Post by d4hd on Oct 19, 2014 6:32:27 GMT -5
Pop always writes a book. Doesn't he. Lol
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Post by tied on Oct 19, 2014 8:03:13 GMT -5
Pop if you're from Lewisburg then you can appreciate what a nice area it is. To me it seems like a no brainer that if you could move from Shamokin to SC you would do it. It's basically the same geographical area it's just a more desirable place to raise a family. Athletics aside.
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Post by d4hd on Oct 19, 2014 8:55:30 GMT -5
You could buy a house in shamokin for $10,000 or less. Look on craigslist. Something's wrong there. Lol
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Post by cradleup002 on Oct 19, 2014 11:00:36 GMT -5
Anyone know the severity of Blake Marks football injury?
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Post by lbgpop on Oct 19, 2014 15:54:22 GMT -5
Pop if you're from Lewisburg then you can appreciate what a nice area it is. To me it seems like a no brainer that if you could move from Shamokin to SC you would do it. It's basically the same geographical area it's just a more desirable place to raise a family. Athletics aside. Yes, I can, and do, appreciate where I now live. I went to Danville as a young man from '57-'61 and remember the great teams Shamokin use to have. I suppose that is one reason I feel like I do about this. Folks there always had a lot of pride in their heritage and roots, and would never consider moving. It seemed like they had state champs every year in wrestling in those years. I'm sure Mr. Bateman could better tell about the successes of those years at Shamokin. Williamsport is also a victim with towns like Loyalsock, Montoursville, and South Williamsport bordering them. It seems the PIAA used the NCAA rule for discouraging transfers, but that is comparing apples to oranges. Colleges and Universities do not have geographic school districts as our public school districts have. The rule cannot be equally and fairly applied at the high school level, and college players are actually under contract to play in return for scholarship funds. The worst part about the NCAA rule that the PIAA seems to have adapted is for the departed school to give permission to the student athlete to transfer to another college. Without that permission, the student athlete must sit out a year, and it seems the same rule applies to our high school athletes. Its an impossible rule to fairly enforce at the K-12 level of school.
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Post by oliver26 on Oct 19, 2014 18:47:39 GMT -5
Pop, You are some right and some off on this. I think if the school district you are leaving signs the transfer then you are free otherwise I believe there is a hearing. That is for all sports and all high school age children. You have remember the PIAA can not police transfers before a child is PIAA governed. You are absolutely correct about how different things are in the coal region than they were 20 let alone 50 yrs ago. The problem is the people who were proud of where they live are passing away and their kids had to leave for whatever reason. Its not just Shamokin take a ride through all the coal towns you will be shocked.
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Post by 1coalcracker on Oct 20, 2014 6:07:33 GMT -5
I agree with you lebarron, a family should be free to live where they want without the kids being penalized. 1coalcracker, you may think I am being idiotic, but it wasn't me who dreamed up the "Curry rule". It was the PIAA. The point I was trying to make is that a school system is a school system regardless of the grade level, and that transferring good athletes before 9th grade is as harmful as transferring after 9th grade. The end result is a circumvention of the intent of the PIAA rule which was a result of the Berwick football powerhouses some years back. By pointing this out, I am trying to show that the rule is not working to prevent school districts from being stacked with very good athletes from other school districts. Ask school districts like Shamokin if the PIAA rule has prevented their talented youth from going to SC. At one time, Shamokin was one of the great wrestling school districts. They still produce a lot of good young wrestlers, but you don't see them wrestling at Shamokin past eighth grade. I'm sure other surrounding school districts have suffered also. This is why I oppose this rule. It does not accomplish what it set out to prevent. Another reason is that it is a subjective call as to whether a student must sit out a year or not. In my opinion, they don't do a very good job of assessing that either. Their decision making is way too controversial and is not applied equally to all student athlete transfers. I think they should strike to rule until they can come up with a fairer way of policing the matter, where each student athlete is treated equally. Lastly, I agree with you 1coalcracker, a family should be able to relocate if they feel it is in the best interest of the family. I have said this all along. I wasn't the one who said the comment was idiotic. I wouldn't say that about u pop. I totally agree with most of what u say, and being from SC I see how we pull many of the better athletes from Shamokin and other schools but we have got better at doing it by getting them younger. I think the main reason like Oliver said is that it is a nicer place to live and also we have success in football. Our football team has 3 of 5 of its starters on our O Line that were born in Shamokin. Families that have good jobs and money want to live in nice homes and to be honest their really aren't many places to build newer homes in town whether it's in shamokin mt Carmel or bloomsburg. The want to build in a rural setting and why not do it where they school district is successful.
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Post by lbgpop on Oct 20, 2014 11:51:34 GMT -5
1coalcracker, my apologies, I was trying to remember from a previous page. I have been through the Coal regions, and I understand the situation. I don't fault those who wish to move, I fault the rule and how is applied (with bias). oliver26, but for the departed school to sign off does not accomplish the intent of the rule, which is to prevent another school district from becoming loaded with great athletes. For example, if every school district in D4 would sign off on their best wrestler, and all of them were going to xyz school district, then the rule as it stands would not prevent xyz school district from loading up on talent. (I know this is an extreme example, but it goes to prove a point, and that is that signing off prevents nothing).
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Post by D4wrestling on Oct 20, 2014 16:56:55 GMT -5
The school receiving the athlete has to sign off as well
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Post by lbgpop on Oct 20, 2014 18:29:40 GMT -5
The school receiving the athlete has to sign off as well Thanks, appreciate the input as I did not realize that. I'm not sure how that would help. Anyone ever hear of a school NOT accepting a transfer? Just curious. However, I still don't see the rule accomplishing a thing except bias in one case and indifference to another. I don't want anyone to misunderstand me about this matter. I hold no grudges or ill will to any athlete who transfers, I wish all of them the best, and a healthy season. I have never held any animosities to any school district either. My gripe is with the PIAA and how they mishandle the intent of the rule, commonly called the Curry rule. Are they preventing a perceived powerhouse? I don't think so.
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