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Post by knighthawk on Jan 20, 2012 19:49:06 GMT -5
yeah its pretty ridiculous how the fans reacted.
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Post by towfan06 on Jan 20, 2012 20:13:00 GMT -5
Yea I was sitting by a couple and were very rude about it after being told of why dale needed the inj time they continued to be rude booing yelling get off the mat..
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Post by anklepick on Jan 20, 2012 22:35:59 GMT -5
Seroiusly guys, do you have to make it out to be ten times worse than what it actually was. It was minimal compared to how your fans acted at the Troy match. It was the third kid in a row for Towanda to ask for Injury time. It was a build up out of frustration. Varguson's timely time out, in my opinion, won him the match. Looking at Maynard it looked like he was out of shape. Obviously it was something else, (sugar diabeties is what I heard),but a news letter was not passed out to the Canton Fans before hand explaining his ailment. If it would been a dangers position and he got hurt they probably would have reacted differently. I have a real hard time believing they said to get off the mat after finding out he had diabeties. Lets face it the story grew the whole way back to Towanda. I heard booing when the finger was rolling asking for a timeout and that was it. I have heard booing many times from fans throughout the district when kids were milking injury time. How many times was Waldron from Loyalsock booed for his displays. No, I am not saying Maynard was milking it. I am just saying how it originally looked. It is unfortunate that Maynard has this condition and because of this thread many in the district will now be informed about it. Still come districts some will not and may start to boo if they think their wrestler is geting the shaft do to an injury time, when it looks like he is only out of shape. Don't make them out to be something hey are not. They are only passionate fans who want the best for their wrestler. Not heartless people who pray on individuals with medical conditions.
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Post by towfan06 on Jan 20, 2012 23:42:40 GMT -5
Stop defending ignorance
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Post by jlc1976 on Jan 21, 2012 0:14:34 GMT -5
Seroiusly guys, do you have to make it out to be ten times worse than what it actually was. It was minimal compared to how your fans acted at the Troy match. It was the third kid in a row for Towanda to ask for Injury time. It was a build up out of frustration. Varguson's timely time out, in my opinion, won him the match. Looking at Maynard it looked like he was out of shape. Obviously it was something else, (sugar diabeties is what I heard),but a news letter was not passed out to the Canton Fans before hand explaining his ailment. If it would been a dangers position and he got hurt they probably would have reacted differently. I have a real hard time believing they said to get off the mat after finding out he had diabeties. Lets face it the story grew the whole way back to Towanda. I heard booing when the finger was rolling asking for a timeout and that was it. I have heard booing many times from fans throughout the district when kids were milking injury time. How many times was Waldron from Loyalsock booed for his displays. No, I am not saying Maynard was milking it. I am just saying how it originally looked. It is unfortunate that Maynard has this condition and because of this thread many in the district will now be informed about it. Still come districts some will not and may start to boo if they think their wrestler is geting the shaft do to an injury time, when it looks like he is only out of shape. Don't make them out to be something hey are not. They are only passionate fans who want the best for their wrestler. Not heartless people who pray on individuals with medical conditions. Are you going out for the all time sympathetic Canton Fan of the Year award or something? There's noway you can sit there and speak for every Canton fan that was present and say that during Maynard's injury time that there were some that did not boo him and make nasty remarks... I for a fact sat beside Canton fans that were booing him and saying get him off the mat if he can't wrestle...dale is not out of shape, he is just having a difficult time with the frustration of the disease and how it affects him during an intense match. But I give him props for going out there and giving it everything he's got and I will be damned if I'm gonna let someone take that away from him by booing him or saying he's out of shape. And if he gets booed in districts when he gets sick during a match I'm sure Towanda fans will react the same way! If it were your kid, you would too!
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Post by lbgpop on Jan 21, 2012 0:35:37 GMT -5
Admittedly, I was not at the match and cannot comment on what actually happened. However, I do attend a lot of wrestling matches including individual tournaments as most of you probably do. The old saying that one bad apple ruins the whole barrel applies here I think. I've seen more kids spinning their finger for an injury than I've ever seen before. Each year, it becomes more prevalent it seems. I honestly believe there are kids that do this to get a break, and this ruins the integrity of the game. Even worse, the fans are catching on to this trend, and voice their displeasure because lack of stamina is not an injury - regardless of what is causing the lack of stamina. An injury should be just that, an injury caused while wrestling on the mat. When we wrestled at Bloomsburg this past week, a young man from that team requested an injury time out using the spinning finger gesture. It was in the third period of the match, and the kid was clearly gassed. Some of our fans booed. One of their fans, sitting behind us yelled out, "the kid had brain surgery and has some problems." I kid you not. I'm thinking to myself, why would the parents or the school allow a kid to wrestle who is still, obviously, recovering from such a serious operation? It makes me wonder, who is medically approving these kids for such an intense sport? Who is looking out for the welfare of these young people? As adults, the parents, school officials, and medical professionals should not allow young people who are not medically fit to wrestle to compete. I know that a lot of fans out there promote 'toughness' and feel kids should tough it out, and sometimes it can be done. Is it fair to the opponent that the other kid has a 'condition', not an 'injury'? Many experienced wrestlers will wear out an opponent to get the bonus points when the opponent becomes weary. Is it really fair to give a kid a break to catch his wind, so to speak? Whenever an injury occurs, I do not hear people booing, in fact, things get quite. No one wants to see anyone get hurt. But, these all too common injury timeouts when there is no apparent injury has fans frustrated. Visiting fans cannot be expected to know if another team's kid has a condition. I think we all presume each young person that takes the mat is physically fit to compete in a tough sport. If they are not physically fit, I don't think they should be competing. Some of you may disagree, but remember this: First of all they are young, developing human beings and should not be competing if physically unable to participate under the rules, the results could be lasting; and secondly, when the shoe is on the other foot, and your guy is wearing out his competitor, how do you feel if the other kid wants an injury time out to refresh? How many times have you seen an injury time out when the kid only went over to the coach, got a couple sips of water, and nothing medically was administered? As adults, we should not boo, but it happens. And I think its happening more because injury time outs are being abused without penalty. The ref cannot disallow an injury time out, he has an obligation to protect the kids. But, if its obvious the kid has not been "injured", then why not assess a penalty?
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Post by jlc1976 on Jan 21, 2012 0:54:02 GMT -5
I agree, I have booed the obvious spinning of the finger because the kid gets caught on his back and he throws a finger. I agree I hate to see that, but this situation was different. Dale didn't throw his finger during the actual wrestling it was in between periods before they were to get set he stumbled a little and you could see he felt woosy and it may have looked like he was winded to others . The booing I'm referring to happened after the match was over sale almost passed out on mat, sexton was there to catch his fall fans immediately were like oh come on get him off the mat and crap like that after they were told on his injury time between periods he had the condition. So I'm with ya, I know what your saying but for fans to be ignorant during an obvious injury when the kid is being attended to by the doc and the parents are standing at the side of the mat frZntic and fans are yelling get the kid off the mat, that's heartless and unsportsmanlike like. That's the crap I will voice my opinion saying boo to those fans who did that! Some kids do abuse the injury time when needing a break or what not, but I will say from the two injury times at the canton Towanda match, Vargason and Maynard's were legit injury times. That is facts.
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Post by lancelot on Jan 21, 2012 6:02:14 GMT -5
You people need to get a life! Does anyone care what a 30-40-50+ yr old really thinks on this subject? Injury time has been around forever. It's become a part of wrestling, like it or not. Is it abused? Go to the state finals every year and you'll see some of the best wrestlers in PA twisting a hangnail and twirling the finger. Fortunately, it has been cut back to just 1:30 to either get the kid on the mat or default. A diabetic is a tricky situation and I know Dale's parents have enough understanding of the culture of wrestling that when he asks for inj. time there are going to be the ignorant boos. Fans are just that. They have NO stake in a child's well-being and many are there to only root on their team, no relations involved. Lbgpop makes many valid pts. of one ruining it for the whole bunch and I don't think the majority of the Canton fans were making any attempt at being heartless and many were concerned. It only takes a few to misrepresent the community. If fans would like to see injury time changed suggest to your district committee that trainers must be in attendance and may be the only person administering first aid- no coaches, water bottles needed! And don't stop the inj clock til the wrestler gets back in the center circle.
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Post by jlc1976 on Jan 21, 2012 7:36:01 GMT -5
You people need to get a life! Does anyone care what a 30-40-50+ yr old really thinks on this subject? Injury time has been around forever. It's become a part of wrestling, like it or not. Is it abused? Go to the state finals every year and you'll see some of the best wrestlers in PA twisting a hangnail and twirling the finger. Fortunately, it has been cut back to just 1:30 to either get the kid on the mat or default. A diabetic is a tricky situation and I know Dale's parents have enough understanding of the culture of wrestling that when he asks for inj. time there are going to be the ignorant boos. Fans are just that. They have NO stake in a child's well-being and many are there to only root on their team, no relations involved. Lbgpop makes many valid pts. of one ruining it for the whole bunch and I don't think the majority of the Canton fans were making any attempt at bein g heartless and many were concerned. It only takes a few to misrepresent the community. If fans would like to see injury time changed suggest to your district committee that trainers must be in attendance and may be the only person administering first aid- no coaches, water bottles needed! And don't stop the inj clock til the wrestler gets back in the center circle. If you read my first initial post, I did not single out ALL Canton fans nor did I say they were all heartless, just the ones who sat by us! I was not complaining of any injury time per say to that particular match, ankle pick had the issue with the Towanda kids twirling their fingers. I was defending the kids that I knew had legit injury times and I do think the piaa should make a more strict stipulation when using injury time.
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Post by anklepick on Jan 21, 2012 9:53:22 GMT -5
The issue is not with kids twirling there fingers. The issue is when they do it for reasons other than an injury. Obviously most now know the situation with Dale, and I feel bad for him, as I would anyone that had this condition. Like lgbpop mentioned earlier the problem comes when a wrestler gets a quick drink, talks to the coach and returns refreshed to the mat. That is what happened the previous match. The trainor was shooed away as soon as she got to him. That caused most of the booing in Maynard's match. Frustrations had built up from the previous match. I know you say Vargeson has a legit injury, but we will just have to disagree about that because anyone truely injured enough for a time out would not just wave the trainor away in my opinion. The trainor did not even make it across the mat before coaches and wrestler started waving her away.
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Post by bigntlfan on Jan 21, 2012 10:45:19 GMT -5
The person requesting an injury time should be penalized. If a legal move is being used by the opponent, award the points the wrestler would have received if the move had been completed. If a legal pinning combination is being applied award the fall and give all the time he wants.
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Post by jlc1976 on Jan 21, 2012 20:34:46 GMT -5
The issue is not with kids twirling there fingers. The issue is when they do it for reasons other than an injury. Obviously most now know the situation with Dale, and I feel bad for him, as I would anyone that had this condition. Like lgbpop mentioned earlier the problem comes when a wrestler gets a quick drink, talks to the coach and returns refreshed to the mat. That is what happened the previous match. The trainor was shooed away as soon as she got to him. That caused most of the booing in Maynard's match. Frustrations had built up from the previous match. I know you say Vargeson has a legit injury, but we will just have to disagree about that because anyone truely injured enough for a time out would not just wave the trainor away in my opinion. The trainor did not even make it across the mat before coaches and wrestler started waving her away. Maybe that was the case with Vargason , I did not see the waving away of the trainer. But I do know, his shoulder was injured during that match! It may not appeared that way visually but I know the family well and his injury was legit. So say what you want to, he did get an injury.
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Post by doubleleg24 on Jan 22, 2012 14:41:05 GMT -5
This is the father of the bloomsburg boy whom "LBGPOP" is referring to.Unless you,sir,have a medical background or are smarter than the neurologist who cleared my son then i suggest you not post anymore on this topic. My sons surgery had nothing to do with what was going on in the match. If you or any of your fans would have noticed...he could'nt breathe(he had an asthma attack!).He did not take any "extra" time,he took a hit of his inhaler and finished the match.(which,by the way, was NEVER in doubt...final score 19-6!!!!) So,before questioning my integrity or the integrity of the school,please think before you post.
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 22, 2012 16:43:45 GMT -5
This is the father of the bloomsburg boy whom "LBGPOP" is referring to.Unless you,sir,have a medical background or are smarter than the neurologist who cleared my son then i suggest you not post anymore on this topic. My sons surgery had nothing to do with what was going on in the match. If you or any of your fans would have noticed...he could'nt breathe(he had an asthma attack!).He did not take any "extra" time,he took a hit of his inhaler and finished the match.(which,by the way, was NEVER in doubt...final score 19-6!!!!) So,before questioning my integrity or the integrity of the school,please think before you post. Lbgpop's explination was spot on. This is not a sport for kids that just had brain surgery and if asthma caused him to twirl the finger then you need to get that under control also. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is a very difficult sport. Kids should be at 100% when they step on the mat. 100% means they are willing to wrestle with whatever aches, pains or problems they have and can go for 6 minutes. I am sorry that these kids have these situations, but this is not what injury time was meant to be used for.
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Post by happy82 on Jan 22, 2012 17:21:32 GMT -5
injury time is a tough call in which refs and coaches hands are tied. i seen a kid get awarded an point an was ready to wrestle and coach came rushing out and told kid not to ended up being a 12 pt swing. so every case is different. sad for kids that really are hurt
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